As for the UBW version, Gilgamesh is such beyond comprehension that unless you know that such a Servant exists and that he can be summoned there is nothing really can do to plan against him let alone counter him. I'm pretty sure there is a doujin of that. Heracles Known classes: Berserker, Archer, Saber, Lancer, Rider, Assassin. In "real" mythology, Heracles was the son of Zeus and a Demi-God. (While I agree with what you said you need to understand the Eisenberg's strategy completely prior to disagreeing with it.). Even the things that can destroy it require multiple hits and you could always retreat before the 2nd blow is landed. It's a shame we don't have enough information about Archer Herk, that is said to be his best class, I believe that he would have more than one NP in there and that he would have his reasoning and deception back as well, Nine Lives would have became in it's original form too...I believe he would actually have a fair chance against Gil if he manages to escape Enkidu. Remember anything that is an A rank noble phantasm or attack could remove lives is not going to go through all 12 instantly. As for what would happened, that's already been answered by everyone else-while he wouldn't be absolutely invincible, in his optimal class of Archer the only servants that could realistically take him on are Gilgamesh and Karna. And if used correctly not even the fate version of berserker would have been defeated by Saber and Shirou. Before renouncing his title, he is Grand Archer(グランドアーチャー, Gurando Āchā?). True Archer, Alcides, is a twisted form of the original True Archer, Heracles, brought forth by his Master Bazdilot Cordelion after using all three of his Command Seals and the mud of the Grail from Fuyuki. This article is for Arjuna. Press J to jump to the feed. Berserkers have a base death rate of 65%. Pure Archer Herc would be alot nicer first of all. Heracles fits the parameters for every base class except Caster, yet Berserker is canonically his weakest possible incarnation, as he loses his vast martial mastery and famous cunning in exchange for more of something he already has plenty of (physical strength). In sum you have to understand the Eisenberg strategy was one of aggressive defense. so not like there's much of a difference lol. Welcome to /r/grandorder, the central hub for Fate/Grand Order and all things related to the Fate franchise. He would even got poison arrows to boost it too. Lu Bu was an unsurpassed equestrian, spearman, and archer. For 5 , see Arjuna (Alter). They excel in breaking down strong, high-HP targets, especially boss Servants in Grand Battles. Same thing with the War God's Sash. He might not be as strong (physically) as when he was in the Berserker class but this technique alone should make up for that and even more. For everything related to Fate/stay night or its spin-offs. Have fun and enjoy your stay. Doesn't fit Archer's MO of weapon throwing (he threw about twenty Kuzuki's way in UBW and Medea took one for the team). So in other words the goal was to hunker down in the castle and play a turtle strategy, nothing could destroy Berserker within 1 fight and during any rematch Berserker was going to win. Always bugged me a bit, not enough to care tho. they were sick of being crossed and didnt want him to be capable of betraying them. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. And don't let me get start with him in Archer class. This means that you’ll have to compensate in other ways if you want to use your Noble Phantasms a lot. Archer/Saber Heracles is in the Gilgamesh tier and as a result isn't a character we can just expect to pop up, it has to be something really crazy for him to not ruin any drama in the story just by existing. Honestly, dunno how Narita's gonna write himself out of this one. The Einzberns made him a Berserker because they wanted someone strong but without the capacity for independent thinking (which the Archer class is notorious for). ), is one of the Three Knight Classes among the seven standard Servant classes summoned for the Holy Grail War. But there's one Heroic Spirit that if he was summoned to other class he would be unbeatable. Heracles(ヘラクレス, Herakuresu?, Hercules), Class Name Berserker(バーサーカー, Bāsākā? Archer(アーチャー, Āchā?) Based on him being grand archer I feel like we're not gonna get a proper archer Heracles if he ever gets added - Based on him being grand archer I feel like we’re not gonna get a proper archer Heracles if he ever gets added – popular memes on the site ifunny.co Let me know which servant you want to see spotlighted next in the comments! The downside is that Buster cards have the lowest NP generation. is a Archer-class Servant summoned by Ritsuka Fujimaru in the Grand Orders of Fate/Grand Order. Sure, his stat is upgraded but I don't really think it worth the sacrifice of Noble Phantasm. He does have it. ), is the Berserker-class Servant of Illyasviel von Einzbern in the Fifth Holy Grail War of Fate/stay night. Essentially, still broken but possibly even more so. As Beserker it would be fitting and make him even more durable (no weapon can pierce the hide). They had an immortal and unkillable servant if you took the right steps of preparation. Gil would have been absolutely screwed. Thus, Heracles has an insane amount of endurance, and even skilled opponents like Archer only manage to take a few lives before falling. He is one of the Servants of Ritsuka Fujimaru of the Grand Order conflicts of Fate/Grand Order. Even as berserker, there were only two servants that can possibly beat hercules: gilgamesh and saber. The Einzbern made him a Berserker so he could be controlled. Despite his hubris and pride, he also finds joy in fighting and sports, which he be… Emiya has kidnapped Miyu and believes that by using her power to it's fullest thus killing her he can break his contract with the Counter Force and requires Chloe's archer card to finish the ritual. Also probably access to NPs or Skills that are more related to his Divinity. Archer Herc would be fucking broken, with God Hand and the Nemean Pelt nullifying anything below A rank on top of anything made by humans. If the 3 days had not recovered Berserker than her homunculus allies would play a diversion and she would escape possibly using another command seal if necessary. Summoning him as another class does have some pros and cons but you exchange some pros for some different cons. Also, I believe God Hands would be active regardless of what class he summoned into. Combining these factors, Archer Heracles is considered to be among the strongest Heroic Spirits. Snipes or he is a goner. EMIYA(エミヤ?) Berserker Day is here! He works as a hero for glory and praise, not for helping others. Remember Rin's dad Toshaska did not know about Ea when he summoned Gilgamesh prior to the summoning (he learned later from Gilgamesh himself), nor did Rin know about the thousands of noble phantasms of the Gate of Babylon after learning who Gilgamesh was. Crazed warriors that have lost almost all traces of their sanity in exchange for great power.— Berserkers have a base damage multiplier of 1.1x. Not necessarily strongest, but out of all the classes Archer suits Hercules best, because his legend is all about him overcoming challenges by being smart and resourceful. Good thing no one on this list has imperial privilege, lol. nope nemean lion nullify manmade weapon. Using Nine Lives as a bow technique could help him snipe or even one-shotted other Servants from distance it's not even funny. The victory condition are death or KO. Why? Remember most of Okeanos is just "Herc is after you, run!" Edit: never mind. Actually, a pure Archer Herc would likely not have access to the Nemean Lion's pelt, as that Noble Phantasm is part of King's Order, the NP he gained from losing God Hand and his Divinity. Also he likely fully utilize his War Belt and have Divinity, making him even more broken as he would get a ton of stat boosts from it. Anything from close to mid-far range (as long as he can be seen by Lancer) would be too disadvantageous for Archer to win. So there's a thread about what if Sasaki was summoned into Saber class instead of Assassin class. Ilya if she did not fight at the castle could always use a command seal, order Hercules to rescue her and return them to the castle and retreat in a way that she would survive almost any confrontation. Archer(アーチャー, Āchā? Buster teams are all about dealing damage by making the most out of Buster Chains. Pretty sure its stated somewhere that Heracles is strongest in the Archer class. The berserker version of Hercules was merely planning to outlast and endure anything another servant can throw at them. He might even have the War God's Sash, and without Alcides' hatred of the gods, he'd be willing to boost his stats to match his Berserker form without the drawbacks of Mad Enhancement. You mean the version of him that is Hercules but also the son of Zeus at the same time. In other words Tokiomi had a great plan but he did not even know how much of a monster Gilgamesh was and he was "pleasantly surprised" by learning how Gilgamesh was beyond his wildest dreams with power. Eye of the Mind (True): B A danger-avoidance ability that utilises the intelligence collected up to the current time as the basis , in order to predict the opponent’s activity and change the current situation. Day 0 [edit | edit source]. Yes it did gimp them in a way but they had no way of knowing Gilgamesh was still around or that Saber would be the one they summoned last war. Not to mention perfect motor control and unhindered intellect. Between the four, in a round robin i'd go with the following results: Heracles vs Gilgamesh: Gilgamesh wins 7 out of 10 times. Also, he should've just stolen the Gate. Do not discount how powerful god hands is. Kiritsugu's betrayal probably caused them to want a pawn that wouldn't turn on them. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the fatestaynight community. [Archer] Hercule’s Might. —Mad Warrior and Heroic Spirit of Berserker Rage. I don't think he would have an issue with that. Scheherazade states that rather than the battlefield, she is more suited for the Master's room. Overall, Heracles will want to either improve his offensive capacity through Craft Essences that grant Buster Performance Up and/or Starting NP Gauge, or bolster his survivability with Guts Status and/or Evade/Invulnerability. Archery uniforms look far different today than in Victorian England, but competitive archery remains popular among women. He has a clear advantage, but I would not be surprised if Herc somehow finds a way to beat him before he can be fully killed. Furthermore, most Buster-type Servants are Berserkers, which have low defenses, s… He'd be second only to the Grand Archer, assuming he isn't it. So, basically, better than Berserker Herc in practically every way. archer heracles (narita said he wanted nasu to handle the raw archer-ness of heracles)" So the 5th Lostbelt is... • r/grandorder reddit (edited by EX Luck Icarus) Saber conceivably could win if she just Excalibured him in the face right away. ), Knight of the Bow and Heroic Spirit of the Bow(弓兵の英霊? Remember Tokiomi did not know of other noble phantasms of other servans like the reality marble of Iskandar, that is why he used Kirei's Kotomine assassin to learn of these abilities prior to attacking with Gilgamesh. You expect the Eisenbergs to prepare a defense against such an unknown servant when even the servant summoner's did not know of the awesomeness of Gilgamesh let alone a catalyst existed that could summon this monster. Because when he was summoned to the Berserker class, he was limited to only a single Noble Phantasm, God Hands, instead of many more. Would Reincarnation Pandora actually have managed to steal Ea, now that I think about it? Heracles is a simple but effective Servant, and his Bond Craft Essence choices are also quite easy to pick. Superior to Gilgamesh in every way if not for maybe gate of babylon hax. here comes mind's eye to dodge the fatal attack and in even a case you managed to attack him he activate God's hand and you need to kill him twelve times in a different manned each time. Pretty sure its stated somewhere that Heracles is strongest in the Archer class. Fuck everyones shit up until he realised Ilya was going to die if he won the grail and then herc would fuck the whole grail war up and kidnap shirou so that Ilya could live the rest of her life with her onii-chan on a tropical paradise island. He may be a bit of a sourpuss but Archer is relatively easy to get along with. The eisenberg's strategy was turtling aka aggressive defense. He just only uses it on his weapons, and not his body like True Rider does. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Like Sasaki, the Grail War would be over unless Servants like Gilgamesh or Karna are present. Almost nothing is strong enough to destroy all 12 lives with God's Hands + Battle Continuation A rank that hercules has. VS Saber: Unless she is sniped due to having to protect her master while he is acting like a brainless idiot, Archer is pretty much screwed. He is also known for taking nothing seriously, but excuses it with his belief that "life is too short for it" or that it is better to "lighten up". The fighters start off 200 metres apart. If you count Alcides (the Archer form of Heracles Alter in Fate/strange fake ), Heracles has even more potential classes and powers, further cementing his already-tremendous might. Very hard to kill, want to attack him? This means likely that Tokiomi did not know the full extent of the gate of babylon and how its a noble phantasm that offers up all the other noble phantasms since Rin had access to Tokiomi's notes. also, I'm pretty sure the twelve lives gimmick is something only Zerk Herc has (iirc, he trades access to his other noble phantasms, for the twelve lives and increased stats), I'm pretty sure the Nemean Lion's pelt is part of King's Order, so normal Archer Herc wouldn't have access to it. Thus he snuck up on Illya in the UBW version. Provided that Shirou doesn't participate in the Holy Grail War to instigate Archer's attempt at assisted suicide, Archer is an excellent Servant all around. Being summoned as one of the Three Knight Classes his status as a "faultless hero" is all the more appa… Everyone is kinda OP. He is one of the Servants of Ritsuka Fujimaru of the Grand Orders conflicts of Fate/Grand Order. Fight takes place in Fuyuki city and surrounding area. Fate/Zero, Fate/hollow ataraxia, Fate/Extra, Fate/EXTELLA, Fate/Grand Order, Fate/Apocrypha, Fate/Strange Fake, The Case Files of Lord El-Melloi II, Fate/Requiem, Fate/type Redline, etc., discuss all of these and more on this subreddit! Berserkers have a base star absorption of 10. Unless we use Nine Lives as Nine Lives: Blade Works, the … And why berserker lost in Heavens Feel, well the dark grail and the shadow and such are things that servants just can't deal with. Most people said that he would be a hack. Vs Lancer: Second verse, same as the first. The castle was the ultimate defense for it had numerous defenses in the forest that could both kill a master and possible a servant but at the very least give warning to Illya. Ultimately, I think the only reason why Nasu chose to put him Berserker class was that he would be invincible in Saber or Archer class and it would not be possible to realistically defeat him at all (he is already a monster in Berserker class anyway). Okay side note, but Reincarnation Pandora is broken asf. But once you retreat she can recover most if not all of Berserker's lives via God Hand for they regenerate once 3 days have passed yet the immunity to the A rank noble phantasm that was required to actually penetrate God's Hand remain. I'm actually surprised he didn't get a Neiman Lion Phantasm (or passive). In the fate version some quick thinking could have saved berserker but it is quite shocking a noble phantasm exists that can destroy 7 of the lives of Berserker in 1 shot. In legends, Heracles went mad on countless occasions, but originally he was an excellent warrior who mastered all kinds of weapons. Just imagine Heracles in Saber class, he could potentially spam Nine Lives Blade Work (or something similar). Archer, who possesses Clairvoyance, is able to execute “ultra long-range sniping” with accuracy transcending the realm of men. is the Archer-class Servant of Rin Tohsaka in the Fifth Holy Grail War of Fate/stay night. The 2nd noble phantasm to levitate also works while he is in spirit/ethereal form and also works to levitate his master. True Archer, his mind being free of madness or the hate against the gods, is an extremely heroic individual. and shown to always mispronounces Charon's name which annoys him, and causes more problems than he can solve. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Manage to use a non manmade weapon? Press J to jump to the feed. Arjuna Hits: 2|3|3|5 Clairvoyance C+ Increases own critical star generation rate for 3 turns. Come join the hundreds of thousands of Masters on your grand journey. However, in the Nasuverse, Archer Heracles doesn't have any Divinity and is not a Demigod, because Archer Heracles represents Heracles before his ascension to Godhood (although I'm 99% sure that was solely so that he couldn't be brought down by Enkidu). So recently I tried to calculate the parameters of Heracles in his other classes due to the fact that early Nasu seemed to tease in the Fate/Side Material that he is far grander in other classes than he is in Berserker and FGO has done nothing more than bring this topic up more & more with several voice lines from characters like Medea Lily, Roma, Stheno & Chiron. Archer Herc would be fucking broken, with God Hand and the Nemean Pelt nullifying anything below A rank on top of anything made by humans. The Einzbern pretty much shot themselves in the foot by summoning him in a Berserker class instead of Saber or Archer class. Berserker is well known, Archer is from strange fake and is so much much cooler. Also, the narration said Berserker would regret the battle—it deserved better since he would want to compare sword skills with Archer. 6 Best: Archer. Share this: Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window) Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window) Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window) Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window) Gilgamesh besides possessing multiple ways to kill Berserker also possessed a noble phantasm that allowed him to fly, and another noble phantasm to levitate. He might even have the War God's Sash, and without Alcides' hatred of the gods, he'd be willing to boost his stats to match his Berserker form without the drawbacks of Mad Enhancement. Berserkers have a base star generation rate of 5%. Full access to his Nine Lives NP, the pelt of the Nemean Lion, God Hand and arrows tipped in hydra poison at least. Her experiences have given her a fear of death and she hates the Servant system which would cause her to repeatedly experience it.In life, Scheherazade was a brave woman who voluntarily took part in her father'… I remember Heracles using either a club or a bow, never a Sword. He would have access to the inherent Magic Resistance, have his reasoning back, and be able to use the Bow of Hydra (check out Prisma Illya for what I assume is the Bow being used) and may still have God Hand. Exiled Messenger (Exile) Apparel, Archer, Armor, Equipment, Hercules' Might, Japan, Korea, Mob Drops, NA/EU, Vendor. I assumed it was a skill. In short, Archer lived up to his skill hype. He holds strong morals, even going against the orders of his Master to preserve his heroism. Breaking chains that could hold a god is something he did anyway. Hercules is known for his arrogance, self-obsessiveness, carelessness towards others, and large ego. Heck, he couldn't even use his signature NP/Technic Nive Lives. He would have access to the inherent Magic Resistance, have his reasoning back, and be able to use the Bow of Hydra (check out Prisma Illya for what I assume is the Bow being used) and may still have God Hand. 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